That depends on ones definition of immorality.
When you consider Sodom and Gomorrah, ancient Rome, etc, I dont think that humanity is any different today, than ever before.
i got the convention update from my mom, who attended this past weekend.
sounds like the society made the claim that immorality is escalating at a faster clip.
is that true?
That depends on ones definition of immorality.
When you consider Sodom and Gomorrah, ancient Rome, etc, I dont think that humanity is any different today, than ever before.
i have read coc, ccmc, isocf and captive of a concept.
i have been fading since april.
i have nothing to hold me back in wbts so i have decided to leave it.
Congratulations on making your decision umadevi. You have made the right choice.
well, as i mentioned before in one of my few other posts, i've been lurking here for some time now and finally decided it was time to face the facts and take action.. i was raised a jw (4th generation) and my parents were quite zealous when they got married.
mom was a regular pioneer and dad was a ms. i was the little jw 'rockstar' in my congregation, got baptized at 10, was giving talks and serving as an attendant at the hall and at conventions at such an early age.
auxiliary pioneered whenever i could.
Glad you have seen the "new light" Bucholz. Enjoy your life.
heard this from a friend of a friend via an email locally circulating.
are you ready?
take a deep breath.... "the end of this system is just a whisper away..." from a ca talk i think, maybe even from the dc, i can't remember.
It seems that alot of dubs are very excited that the end is verrrrrrrrrrrrrry close.
I've not seen that since 1975.
Maybe its the 2012 prophecy.
And there has just been another earthquake: near Corsica. Scarey stuff..... I dont think.
so recently, i've had this urge to write to my father.
i couldn't quite pinpoint why i would try when i know he wouldn't read it and we aren't even that close.. over the years, before i left, my father and i could not relate to each other and we quit trying.
he was always so busy writting and preparing for talks.
Velour, you are right to write to your dad. You must tell him what you told us. To bad if he doesnt read the letters
(yes I did say letters. Keep writing). Its important for you, and for him if he did but know it.
You never know what he might do. Maybe he'll read them in a month, or in a year.
I miss my dad too. I would have liked him to see what I've made of my life. I would have liked him to be proud of me. But he's gone. Its too late for me. But not for you.
Straightshooter:
I don't think the WTS realizes the extreme hurt that they cause by their doctrine of shunning.
I dont think they even care.
me and my wife,a non jw,took her 3 year old country cat to see the vet in edinburgh, i left her at the vets with the cat and went to work, i gave her 20 pounds and told her to get a cab into town to meet me at work.
the vet removes the chicken bone from the cats throat,{the little bastard stole it ,when we were not looking} anyway she gets a bus with cat into town,cost only 1 pound, she does not get cab she keeps 19pounds.
typical, only the cat manages to wriggle out the basket,on princess street, terrified runs helter skelter accross 2, 4 lane highways, avoiding buses taxis,ect, my wife terrified screaming down the phone at me,to come and protect and save her beloved cat.f__k ,my whole world was collapsing before me, i prayed that kitty would live, my wife is sensitive, and she would have been inconsolable had the kitty died on her watch, so i ran out of work, drove through red lights, and prayed,that the little cat survived.
Did you pray to Bastet, protector of cats?
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in another thread i wrote: i didn't left the jw's and don't plan to do so.
What would you do in my situation, if you knew that leaving would slowly kill one of your most beloved people?
Only you are in a position to answer that question Lazarus.
No one here has the right to criticise your decision.
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in another thread i wrote: i didn't left the jw's and don't plan to do so.
Lazarus, an interesting post. I can understand why you come to that conclusion.
The problem is that the WT and its adherents, are manipulators.
Stay with us or else...etc
That is wicked. But many who come here dont know how to deal with that.
Would it be the right thing for a wife to stay with a manipulating husband, because if she left him, he would try and make her life worse? or would it be better for her to leave, and then try and get her life back together?
Many who come here, are trying to get their life back together, and then they move on.
Hospitals are full of sick people. This forum "is full of sick" people. They are here for help. They will move on.They will cope. They'll probably not post here anymore. You will never know that they have won out.
Staying in a manipulating, abusive situation, just to keep the peace is NEVER a good thing.
under the wheels of a train.... .
i feel really bad.... i don't want to be in the cult anymore.... .
i was thinking about that whole meeting today.... .
Nebeska.....
Many of us can understand your feelings.
However, if you have posted them here, its because you dont really want to do that.
Snowbird was right when she said:
You are loved and valued.
Do not allow the WT to take that away from you.
Dont let the WatchTower win. Come back fighting.
Snowboard felt the same a couple of months ago. Now his life has changed.....remarkably. Everything is possible.
all of us who have any ties to the jws know that they have their own vernacular, their own slang.
sure, there are formal titles that we can't really get away from: pioneer, ministerial servant, elder, ______ overseer, governing body, the (watchtower) society, etc.
but there are plenty of other bits of parlance they use that i can do without.... for example:.